NPR on "Rolling Coal"

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 11/24/2015 at 09:19 • Filed to: diesel

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“If you see a bike, you just can’t help but to do it. No matter how many times you do it, every single time, you’ll still get a smile on your face.” There be assholes afoot, OPPO...

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sm70- why not Duesenberg? > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:28

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I’m glad that both the cars I drive on a regular basis can outrun all but the seriously tuned diesels. And in reality, most of the diesels that are heavily visually modified and tuned to roll coal don’t posses the tunes to achieve high performance, which is odd because from what I know there are very cheap chips and other such tunes to get plenty of speed out of them.

yitznewton > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:29

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Jeebus. I hope all their diesel clouds coalesce into a horrific monster and devour the lot of them. What swine.

90s tweens will perhaps remember this evil dude from Conan the Adventurer:

Berang > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:30

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Everybody who does this needs to be dutch-ovened 1000 times.

Your boy, BJR > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:33

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I've been rolled on in my caddy once, by an off duty cop in a F-250 platinum. I see that truck again, and I don't care if he IS the police, I'm vandalizing the shit out of it.

Ash78, voting early and often > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:37

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No matter how many lifted trucks I see around Alabama, I had never seen anyone roll coal (for antisocial reasons) until I was in East Tennessee last weekend. And it was against some pedestrians minding their own business. Of course, the truck also had a rebel flag wrap on the back window, which is especially hilarious because his tag with Sevier County, TN, was actually 96% ANTI-secession during the Civil War. Most of the mountain regions of Appalachia were pretty independent and not reliant on slavery, so they had very little reason to support secession and try to split the nation over the whims of the wealthy slaveowners in the lowlands.

And that’s how you go from rolling coal to slavery in a paragraph.

Illegitimus Prime > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:41

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It’s sad that they’ve convinced themselves that they are making more power. What do they think is happening, the black smoke propels forward like a f***ing rocket? A tune that makes you belch smoke is just that, not a power tune. I like diesel, I like diesel in trucks but this scumbaggery is ridiculous.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:42

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I would have more faith in this except for the number of bro trucks I see parked in employee parking at local police stations. Kinda like the time I saw a cop who stopped and was ticketing a Honda for now when a group of Harleys went by. They got the thumbs up from the very same cop as he was writing the ticket.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:44

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The irony is that a factory tuned diesel has gobbs of power and virtually clean exhaust. We have a durmax at work and you can stand next to the tail pipe while running and barely smell it.

Berang > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:47

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“ROGAKIS: Not really. I’ve already lost my license twice before, so...”

This man’s not compensating for a tiny penis. He’s compensating for a tiny brain.

qbeezy > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:52

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I haven’t seen as many in Tulsa lately. But it was bad in stillwater. OK will never do anything about it.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Berang 11/24/2015 at 09:53

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So I will give the “rolling coal community” this - they did find the dumbest of dumb shits to interview for this story.

smobgirl > Ash78, voting early and often 11/24/2015 at 09:55

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My US history class at Middle Tennessee State was taught by a Civil War reenactor. It was pretty fascinating - growing up in VA we had pretty much glossed over everyone else. We spent a lot of time looking at how different parts of Tennessee contributed to the Civil War.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 09:56

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I heard that yesterday morning haha. Some of those guys sounded like morons. Huh huh huh we blow exhaust on bikers derp.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Ash78, voting early and often 11/24/2015 at 09:57

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Woah don’t go looking for logic with racist hillbillies!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > qbeezy 11/24/2015 at 09:57

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To be honest, I care less that they do something about coal-rollers than I do that they regulate the trucks that are lifted so high that their bumpers are at windshield height. The fumes are obnoxious, but those mini monster trucks are going to kill people.

Ash78, voting early and often > smobgirl 11/24/2015 at 10:02

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There are so many weird (and sad) subtleties to that time in American politics. I also grew up with a very simplistic view of the whole era. “All these people had slaves and wanted to keep it that way. All these other people hated slavery and wanted to stop it at all costs.”

Ie, the WAY oversimplified, revisionist version of the outcome :D

Your boy, BJR > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:04

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BigBlock440 > Illegitimus Prime 11/24/2015 at 10:04

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What? You think they can’t tell if they make more power or not? There’s usually a significant difference in power from the top level to the bottom on the tuners. I’m not sure why you think they wouldn’t be able to feel the difference.

Justin Hughes > Ash78, voting early and often 11/24/2015 at 10:07

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Now all you need to do is tie in Hitler and you’ve won the internet.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Ash78, voting early and often 11/24/2015 at 10:07

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Well said. Thank you for sharing that.

BigBlock440 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:07

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Eh, most states have bumper height restrictions. The ridiculously tall ones aren’t usually regularly driven. Also, windshield height is a terrible metric.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:08

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You give the guy too much credit.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/24/2015 at 10:11

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So, I’m not trying to apologize for these people, but do you think that some that fly that flag are not trying to say “we h8 the blacks” but something more like “hee-haw, mo-fos, we do what we want!”?

I guess it doesn’t really matter. The swastika was used by many different cultures before Hitler co-opted it, and it’s not like you can put that on your sleeve and say it’s about your Native American heritage...

edit: Hitler really was an asshole. “The word ‘swastika’ derives from an Asian Indian Sanskrit word, in which the meaning of the swastika stands for universal welfare. “Swasti” means well-being of one and all and “ka” means symbol. The swastika is one of the most ancient of all symbols and used as a symbol for peace, life and good luck . It represented the revolving sun, fire or life.”

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Justin Hughes 11/24/2015 at 10:11

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I did that in my reply to 415.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:14

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True, but a large pickup in the south with that usually means they may not like non whites. There could be some educated people doing it but those people generally know they will be misunderstood by pretty much everyone. Im Buddhist and there are swastikas all over Japan, not putting it on my car (I’m also blond and Scandinavian )

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:17

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If you are driving an older mechanical diesel, its bound to happen if you really floor it, and it is the pre-DEF days.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/24/2015 at 10:19

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Yup. And I didn’t mean educated, I meant most likely ignorant but not necessarily racist (but that’s the connotation with that flag now, regardless).

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 10:20

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Bumper height restrictions that I have yet to see enforced in my state... And plenty of people daily trucks like these around here.

and 100 more > Ash78, voting early and often 11/24/2015 at 10:21

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Today I learned, thank you!

Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 10:25

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I wonder if anybody has ever been ticketed for bumper height. When I lived in colorado tons of people were violating the laws. I don’t think anybody ever gets ticketed.

Maybe once in a blue moon when an officer is really mad and looking for every single thing he can bust somebody on, but otherwise, nah. Never happens.

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 10:30

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I know it’s happened in Pennsylvania, and it also doesn’t pass inspections unless you “know a guy”.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 11/24/2015 at 10:33

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Having it happen occasionally on an old diesel is completely different than modifying your car or truck to do it and then blowing the smoke on unsuspecting drivers/riders/pedestrians.

BigBlock440 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:34

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Do you know what the restrictions are and if the trucks in question are actually exceeding them? Also, I see people exceeding the speed limit all the time, it doesn’t necessarily mean the speed limit’s not enforced.

jariten1781 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 10:34

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Opposite experience. Both in my hometown and college town the cops regularly carried yard sticks...it wasn’t a primary offense so you’d need to be pulled over for something else, but if they got ya you’d almost be guaranteed to get bumper height as an add on ticket.

Funktheduck > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 10:41

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I don’t think my state has any restrictions but saying they’re not daily driven is wishful thinking at best. Down here they’re Dailey driven and they’re run on off road tires that were never meant for pavement so they’re usually near bald but too expensive for them to replace as often as they should.

Massive wheels and (bald) tires combined with baby brakes, an extra couple hundred pounds of bumpers, hitches, and winches, and a ride height so high it would decapatate most middle schoolers. That's what I see daily.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 10:46

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Found this - http://www.liftlaws.com/oklahoma_lift_…

So, there are no bumper height restrictions, no lift restrictions, only headlight height restrictions of 54”, which is crazy high, but I’ve definitely seen trucks higher than that around.

Honestly, I don’t care if it’s legal or not. If I’ve modified my car in such a way that makes it inherently less safe for other motorists around me (or even just failed to maintain it or repair it and keep driving it - we have no state inspections), that’d be unacceptable in my book.

Funktheduck > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/24/2015 at 10:50

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You can't even go within 500 feet of a swastika. It would only take one person with a camera and your life would be ruined.

Funktheduck > Ash78, voting early and often 11/24/2015 at 10:53

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I used to see it all the time. Not so much now. I did have one asshole do it to me. Wasn't severe but he was coasting until he got to me and then floored it as he passed. Nothing like having hot, black exhaust dumped on you and your dogs while out walking in a neighborhood.

TheLOUDMUSIC- Put it in H! > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 10:54

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I’ve been to that Taco Bell lot on a Friday night. The people they talked to are status quo for that particular gathering of people.

The Undecider > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 11:12

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I have seen a number of lifted trucks with a second set of headlights mounted under the bumber to bring them back into light height compliance.

BigBlock440 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 11:18

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Most modifications make vehicles inherently less safe for other motorists, where do you draw the line? Put ceramic brakes on your car, you just increased the stopping distance until you get some heat in them. Put cheaper tires on, you reduced you traction for emergency maneuvers. Put performance tires on your car and wait until a cold, rainy day. Lower your car and you put the rest of the vehicles at risk of a roll-over when you hit them. Put a brush guard, winch, or rally lights on the front, there goes pedestrian impact safety. Put a hood scoop or ricer wing on the back, you’re reducing visibility. I just don’t see it as that big of a deal, especially when there are much bigger vehicles out there, like a semi. Though I live in a state with inspections and bumper height laws, so I we may be picturing different trucks.

BigBlock440 > Funktheduck 11/24/2015 at 11:23

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Daily driven doesn’t mean they spend that much time on the road, there’s no way they’re putting 30k miles per year on them like most of the commuters. Probably not even putting the 12k-15k average.

Also the brake thing, they’re not baby brakes, trucks are designed/built to haul (that includes stopping) a lot of weight. If they’re safe loaded down with 1.5 tons of extra weight behind the cab or 10,000 lbs on the trailer behind them, they’ll still have adequate braking power with a few inch bigger tire. Especially when empty.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 11:26

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Super-lifted trucks are dangerous on road the same way that moose are dangerous. When an accident happens, the majority of the mass in coming into the cab of the other vehicle, not making contact in places where cars are designed to make contact in an accident.

I’m really not for extra laws or regulations, but when it comes to the safety of other drivers and passengers (I’ve got three kids), we shouldn’t mess around.

I agree with you on many modifications, but it’s on the person modifying their car to understand what they’ve done to it and act accordingly. If I was had R-comps on my car, I sure as hell wouldn’t drive it on a cold, rainy or snowy day. I have PSS on my car in the summer (which are great in the wet), and switch to a good all-season for the winter. And if it’s icy/snowy, I’m driving my beater 4x4...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > The Undecider 11/24/2015 at 11:27

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Which is great for visibility I guess but does nothing to make them safer in an accident.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 11:28

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BigBlock440 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 11:31

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FloydW > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 11/24/2015 at 11:37

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Most of them sounded like they were twelve.

BigBlock440 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 11:39

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but it’s on the person modifying their car to understand what they’ve done to it and act accordingly.

Yes, I agree. I’m just extending the same courtesy to pickup truck modifiers. The truck in your picture isn’t any worse that a stock truck, and far from the most dangerous thing on the road. I’ll just leave somebody extra room if I don’t like the way the look.

BKRM3 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 11:40

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Is this stupid and entirely unnecessary? Yes. Are these guys utter jerks? Without a doubt. Are there situations where this could be legitimately dangerous? Definitely.

....are some of the videos of harmlessly rollin coal on a Prius or whatever funny to me? ...wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll... please don’t tell Santa.

Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 11:43

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Oh yeah, no inspection in Colorado. I guess it just depends on the state.

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 11:51

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I’ve heard some people also put smaller tires on for inspection to drop it back down into legal territory, but then still get ticketed for it later. I guess that’s why I don’t really see it as that big a deal, because it’s not a big deal here.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BKRM3 11/24/2015 at 11:57

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Hahaha - he might roll some coal right into your stocking.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 11:58

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Sure, that can happen, but the trucks tires above are still on the ground...

Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 12:02

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Pickups are in a lot more fatal accidents per year than cement trucks.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 12:04

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Good on you for driving defensively. I do the same. But the fact of the matter is that regardless of how safe we might try to be, accidents happen, and modifying your car to be significantly more unsafe for others is too big of a risk in my book.

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 12:07

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But what type of pickup? Stock, or lifted?

Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 12:10

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My point is that saying “well there are bigger dangerous vehicles” is just an appeal to the lowest common denominator. And a locomotive is bigger than a semi - so what? People aren’t driving locomotives all over the roads.

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 12:13

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No, people aren’t driving locomotives all over the roads, but they are driving semis all over the roads.

Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 12:17

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Yeah and those drivers in semis kill far fewer people per year than people in pickups. It’s not much of a comparison if you’re trying to say semis are less safe.

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 12:19

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Again, are you saying all pickups or lifted pickups?

BKRM3 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 12:27

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Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 12:27

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I only have statistics on all pickups. But all would include lifted pickups.

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 12:34

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There’s a shit-ton more stock pickups than there are lifted pickups. Including all pickups is going to raise the fatality numbers substantially, and a ban on lifted trucks will have absolutely no effect on those numbers. Since the discussion was on the merits of banning truck with a lift kit, using numbers for trucks without a lift kit to try and prove a point isn’t meaningful.

dimag05 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 13:04

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Fuck these motherfucking fuckers.

Berang > BigBlock440 11/24/2015 at 13:20

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And you suppose the stock ones are more dangerous than the lifted ones?

(I actually said nothing about banning lifts, was just talking about bumpers that are uselessly high)

BigBlock440 > Berang 11/24/2015 at 13:29

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No, they’re not more dangerous, there’s just a lot more of them leading to a lot more accidents. I know you said nothing about banning lifts, but dave did and that’s where the conversation started. Since stock trucks are presumably ok, it doesn’t make sense to include their fatalities when trying to prove lifted ones are dangerous. I just don’t see them as some big plague on society, especially when the road is shared with much more dangerous vehicles. But as I said to dave, I live in a state with bumper height laws and an annual inspection, so I may have a different truck in mind than you do.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 13:50

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Several times my friend’s been driving his S2000 while cruising, he’s gotten coal rolled on him. To make matters worse, twice he has been followed by individual trucks trying to bully him. It’s terrifying for him.

Now, this is a dickbag move in its own right, but what makes the situation worse is that he has asthma.

The fourth time it happened to him, I told him he needs get a dash cam, so that should he encounter one of those assholes again, he’s got proof of it. When I mentioned it to him I also remembered he has asthma, and that when he reports it to the police, he should add that in as well, so that any charges those assholes get hit with makes it more likely the charges stick, for putting his life in danger.

jimmy-buffett > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 13:51

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The one thing that I know for sure about rolling coal: that it’s talked about a lot more than it actually happens.

Passive-aggressive behavior? Check! Redneck-centric? Check! Hurts the environment? Check! NPR HuffPo pile-on in 3...2...1...

Find a case where it led to someone’s view being obstructed and they died, throw the perpetrator in jail and get the law changed. But can we stop pretending that there are more than 17 guys driving brodozers mostly in flyover states who are doing this?

T > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 14:06

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Not really what I would call a lifted monster truck, looks like most HD trucks in Texas.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > T 11/24/2015 at 14:10

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Yeah, I know, but you get the idea. Putting the bumper higher than stock means it’s coming right over the crash zone on the car and into the cab.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jimmy-buffett 11/24/2015 at 14:14

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I agree with that - doesn’t seem like such that widespread of a problem. You can call me a jerk for modifying my exhaust for more power (it does pollute more), but I’m not intentionally blasting that stuff in people’s faces like some of these guys seem to enjoy doing (probably a minority - the assholes always screw things up for the rest of us).

edit - read Blunion’s comment about his friend being harassed on multiple occasions...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) 11/24/2015 at 14:19

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ugh - dash cam a must...

Anything about his car that is attracting extra attention from these jerks? Or just the fact that it’s low?

Rand0nS > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 14:24

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No, they found a very good representation of their community.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Illegitimus Prime 11/24/2015 at 14:27

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A lot of the diesel truck crowd, in my experience anyways, knows exactly what they are doing. “Smoke tunes” do make a LOT of power... and dump in a whole heap of extra fuel on top of it to get that smoke. And many of them realize they can make just as much power and get no smoke with a proper tune. They just want smoke.

Ermahgerd! > Illegitimus Prime 11/24/2015 at 14:50

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Folks who are “rolling coal” are doing it for the smoke itself, not more power.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 15:01

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It’s the fact that he’s driving it with the top down and they find him as a prime target to blow coal on. Seating position in the S2000 = same height as the tail pipe.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) 11/24/2015 at 15:14

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Yeah, top down especially.

T > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/24/2015 at 15:46

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Are you just as vehement about people intentionally lowering their vehicles? You seem to have an agenda, I’m trying to gauge if it’s truly safety or just anti-truck. What do you consider “Super-Lifted” as you state in your thread?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > T 11/24/2015 at 16:28

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If they're lowered to the point of being unsafe for the road, yes. I have no issue with moderately lifted vehicles, but there are some in my town that just tower over everything else.

Svend > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 12/04/2015 at 09:57

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People are stupid. At least the people ‘rolling coal’ are highlighting their location for you to avoid them. Because usually it’s all to easy to stumble into stupid people and hard to get away from.